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Re: Sheer, Utter Joy
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:26 am
by OpenXTalkPaul
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:28 am
by richmond62
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:07 am
by OpenXTalkPaul
richmond62 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:57 am
Funny Video Here:
The 'funniest' bit was when KM said, "to as many people as possible."
and it is only 'funny' in that now it is nothing of the sort largely due to a decision by KM.
If LC REALLY believed that they would have found some way to keep the Open Source version going,
and I am quite sure the reason their revenue stream did not grow was entirely down to their
awful marketing.
Most of the LC staff members featured in that film no longer work for LC: I wonder why.
I feel extremely sad for those passionate educators featured in that film . . .
And this is NOT a 'funny' video at all, but it is a bloody sad one.
Didn't mean to get you fired up, I think I meant "funny" as in strange to watch in the present day, almost a decade later.
Here's the direct link to the bin-hqx file download, last capture in 2007, but I think the 6th beta from 1999 was the last build of Serf:
https://web.archive.org/web/20040208065 ... a6.sit.hqx
I still have yet to try it, and oddly enough it turns out I did have a copy of it in my archives (I have a vast archive, I just kept transferring up to larger storage medium, I can burn BluRay Data Disc now days). I must have downloaded it back then (probably from a Hotline or KDX Server) but I don't remember ever giving it a spin.
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:10 am
by overclockedmind
Does anyone have enough history with them to know what version would build to Mac OS 9?
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am
by richmond62
Do you mean:
Where can I find a version of LiveCode that will work on Mac OS 9?
If the answer is 'YES' to that I can help you.

Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:52 pm
by richmond62
When I get back from Germany (next week), I'll give a proper answer to both . . .
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:52 pm
by overclockedmind
richmond62 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:52 pm
When I get back from Germany (next week), I'll give a proper answer to both . . .
Freaking awesome! Thank you.
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:20 pm
by OpenXTalkPaul
will export to Mac OS 9
I could be wrong, but I would think that a Linux version that "will export to" Mac OS 9 is unlikely, since macOS 9 classic apps used the 'resource fork' heavily as the app packaging format (like .AppImage, 1App=1File), which might contain resources like compiled 'CODE',WIND and Dialog Window definitions, Icons, 'SND ' Sounds, FONTs, 'PICT' graphics, etc. Also the 'dual fork' (Data Fork/Res Fork) is only really compatible with an Apple HFS formatted file system, which was a big pain in the parse if you needed to exchange files with a non-mac platform, often only the Data fork would survive an uncompressed file transfer. You could run the Mac OS under emulation or virtualization to build to an HFS formatted disk IMG and then Binhex or 'StuffIt' and then transfer it to your classic mac.
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:08 pm
by richmond62
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:37 am
by richmond62
When I get back from Germany (next week), I'll give a proper answer to both . . .
#1 answered above.
#2 as far as I recall, while the standalone builder in Linux versions of Revolution 1.1.1 and 2.0.1 provide
you with an option to build Macintosh (as is Mac OS 8 or 9) builds, they don't work when ported across.
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:13 am
by richmond62
Re: Sheer, Utter Joy (Archived LiveCode downloads)
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:09 pm
by OpenXTalkPaul
Thanks for the links Richmond!
I might just fire up my old MDD G4 (or Sheepshaver or Basilisk II) to have a play!
I think it would be cool to put together a retro xTalk Mac collection for emulators/classic as a disc image with not just HyperCard (fully loaded with tons of XCMDs/XFCNs, CompileIt!, etc.) but also MetaCard/Rev, Oracle Media Objects, Serf, SuperCard (demo?), etc. collected from Macintosh Garden and/or Archive.org. Maybe even OpenXION would even work on classic with JAVA 1.5 (IIRC) installed.