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Posted: **Sun Nov 05, 2023 8:57 pm**

Haha, that's probably my Dad's influence. He's from Essex

I wasn't born there. I'm a norfolk boy. Blast me, he's a rumm'n.

Although, to be classed a local, at least 4 generations would have had to live here. So I'm a strange old mix I suppose.

Posted: **Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:08 pm**

Oh yeah, that is weird. I'd expected your windows to be in dark mode, so I have no idea what's happening there.
This better explains where I'm at with Mac theming:

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This is because I can't change the background colour on the popup menu button. It plain won't let me, which is most infuriating.

Posted: **Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:13 pm**

Neither a log out or a restart returned my menu bar to Light mode!

Sorry: 11 pm round these parts: off to have a bath.

Posted: **Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:19 pm**

richmond62 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:13 pm Neither a log out or a restart returned my menu bar to Light mode!

I've seen this before... [has a rummage around various notes]...

You could try these terminal commands:

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defaults write -g NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool No

then log out.

If that doesn't work, try:

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defaults delete -g NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance

then log out.

Log back in and see if Dark mode will let you reapply it again.

Posted: **Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:47 pm**

That makes me feel like Napoleon: "Not tonight, Josephine."

As have to be up early tomorrow, get my Primary School smile set out of the fridge, and it's 'Hey-ho' for the joys of Conditional sentences.

However: having a longish lunch break tomorrow I will see what happens on MacOS 14 Sonoma.

Posted: **Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:31 am**

So: here I am in front of my 2018 Mac Mini running MacOS 14/2 beta something-or-other.

Lightmode still playing 'silly buggers' with the Men Bar staying Dark come what may.

BUT 0.93 IS switching into Dark Mode after about 30 seconds!

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BUT this is problematic.
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The drop-down is super.

Posted: **Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:35 am**

Richmond Fantasy Mode cranks up out of control:

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on openStack
if Mode is dark then
   set the textColor of btn "Plonk" to black
   end if
   end openStack

Posted: **Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:41 am**

If this is true, then why is that card not hidden away?
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Posted: **Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:14 am**

richmond62 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:41 am If this is true, then why is that card not hidden away?

I'm only going by what was there before, so I just removed line 2 of that dialog which mentioned buying livecode, and then made the text font larger. I also took away the link, so clicking the banner doesn't go to their purchase page.

I know for certainty there was a period where Apple wouldn't allow anything on their app store that hadn't been produced from any other source than via xCode.

I'm not sure if that's still true, but then LC 9.6.3 doesn't seem to have build targets for anything past iOS8. It would be lovely to get this updated so it's aware of iPadOS / iPhone OS (or iOS 11 at least).

I'd also like to keep the iOS standalone settings intact for another reason: I'm interested to know how iOS standalones will run on the desktop ARM version of MacOS, as they can be double-clicked like any normal Mac desktop app. This would prove a useful route into building apps for Arm macs in the future.

Posted: **Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:20 am**

richmond62 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:35 am
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on openStack
if Mode is dark then
   set the textColor of btn "Plonk" to black
   end if
   end openStack

You can detect if the OS is in light or dark mode with:

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send tDarkLightCheck to stack "revMenuBar" in 1 tick

It then applies Paul's IDEToDarkMode or IDEToLightMode
as taken from: /Toolset/libraries/revideextensionlibrary.livecodescript
as appropriate.

It then looks in/Toolset/home.livecodescript and performs manual colour overrides if needed (much like your sudocode)

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 on IDEToLightMode
      lock screen
      if the platform contains "linux" then tApplyTheme_Linux_Light
      if the platform contains "mac" then tApplyTheme_Mac_Light
      if the platform contains "win" then tApplyTheme_Win_Light
      unlock screen
   end IDEToLightMode
   on IDEToDarkMode
      lock screen
      if the platform contains "linux" then tApplyTheme_Linux_Dark
      if the platform contains "mac" then tApplyTheme_Mac_Dark
      if the platform contains "win" then tApplyTheme_Win_Dark
      unlock screen
   end IDEToDarkMode

BUT: because linux doesn't need any special theming, it actually just removes all custom colour properties on everything. It will run tApplyTheme_nullify for Linux.

If the platform turns out to be Mac, then it runs the handler setAppToDarkMode in /Toolchain/modules/lci/org.openxtalk.library.macosnativeapptools.lci, which is where Paul's org.openxtalk.library.macosnativeapptools/macOStools.lcb comes in.

Anyway, the short version is, you can manually try toggling between all of this by using:

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send IDEToDarkMode to stack "home"

or

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send IDEToLightMode to stack "home"

You can indeed set colour properties manually, but it should really pick up on this automatically without having to mess around with foreground and background colour settings.
Also, you can set that behaviour on a normal button. You can't set it on the "option menu" object, which is what I'm banging on about here https://www.openxtalk.org/forum/viewtop ... 4461#p4461

Please feel free to have a dabble with my appearance stack and see what results you get. Thanks for testing!

appearance.oxtstack.zip: (2.96 KiB) Downloaded 202 times

Turning the sudocode into script, it's something like:

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 lock screen
 -- you can force colour overrides with
 put 255,255,255 into tNewForegroundCol -- white
 put 31,31,31 into tNewBackgroundCol -- dark grey

   -- set to all windows
   put the mainstacks & return & the openstacks into tStackList
   put 0 into tcount
   repeat the number of lines in tStackList
      add 1 to tcount
      if there is a stack (line tcount of tStackList) then
         set the backgroundColor of stack (line tcount of tStackList) to tNewBackgroundCol
         set the foregroundColor of stack (line tcount of tStackList) to tNewForegroundCol
      end if
   end repeat
   put "" into tStackList
   -- anything else specifically? (specify in this format!) -- this is ugly, but it works
   put "set the backgroundColor of card " & QUOTE & "main" & QUOTE & " of stack " & QUOTE & "revSETemplate" & QUOTE & " of stack " & QUOTE & "revNewScriptEditor"  & QUOTE & " to tNewBackgroundCol" into line (the number of lines in tStackList +1) of tStackList
   put "set the foregroundColor of card " & QUOTE & "main" & QUOTE & " of stack " & QUOTE & "revSETemplate" & QUOTE & " of stack " & QUOTE & "revNewScriptEditor"  & QUOTE & " to tNewForegroundCol" into line (the number of lines in tStackList +1) of tStackList
   set the cAppearanceBackgroundCol of stack "revPreferences" to tNewBackgroundCol
   set the cAppearanceForegroundCol of stack "revPreferences" to tNewForegroundCol
   filter lines of tStackList without empty
   do tStackList
   unlock screen

Which is also in that appearance stack I've just attached.

Posted: **Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:45 pm**

Thanks for testing.

Busy testing my patience at the moment: tomorrow morning!
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Posted: **Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:12 pm**

Okay, one thing that's just occurred to me.
Can you also download the new prefs stack here, and replace the existing one in your build.
viewtopic.php?p=4470#p4470

The reason is that as well as containing the bug fix, it gets rid of any manually set colour the stack previously had.

Posted: **Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:30 am**

Well, as a real sadist, as it is 8.30 in England: here's something to make you sputter your coffee all over the place:
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Those buttons . . .

Posted: **Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:39 am**

Something wrong with inheritance, methinks:

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on mouseUp
   set the backGroundColor of this stack to 50,50,50
   set the foreGroundColor of this stack to 217,217,217
end mouseUp

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Posted: **Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:59 am**

And HERE is why you got 'things' wrong:

Nifty thing here: https://htmlcolorcodes.com/
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on mouseUp
   set the backGroundColor of this stack to empty
   set the foreGroundColor of this stack to empty
   set the backGroundColor of this stack to 42,117,16
   set the foreGroundColor of this stack to 42,117,16
end mouseUp

NOW I shall HACK YOUR STACK

Posted: **Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:12 am**

Ouch: does somethings successfully, but hoses 2 of your buttons:
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OK:

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if tAppearanceMode contains "dark" then
      -- dark mode
      put "0,0,0" into tNewBackgroundCol
      put "255,255,255" into tNewForegroundCol

Makes your 'bottom' buttons lose their texts.

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if tAppearanceMode contains "dark" then
      -- dark mode
      put "0,0,0" into tNewBackgroundCol
      put "0,0,0" into tNewForegroundCol

Makes your 'bottom' buttons readable, but makes you 2 top buttons vanish.

Told you, you'd choke on your coffee.

This WAS BECAUSE your 2 top buttons had '3D' turned off:
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The only shag about this is if the end user decides they don't like 3D buttons.

Posted: **Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:11 am**

This is, also, a load of old cobblers (resulting from my hack):
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I cannot work out how to set the backGroundColor and the textColor of either fields or buttons globally.

Posted: **Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:45 pm**

Hi Richmond.
Sorry, been out 'of it' today - it's exams time at the school, only mocks, but means I'm really busy and don't have much time to spend on Oxt for a while.

Thanks for your testing. To really fry your noggin, try with adding a popup menu. (Which can't be themed).
Buttons and fields also change when Paul's dark mode plugin loads, but not by much.

It's like the MacOS theme doesn't agree with Livecode's behaviour. It does change the buttons significantly between MacOS versions (see in MacOs 10.9 for comparison), but still not correct.

Makes me want to use 'sudo buttons' - pngs which match the system theme. And just drop those in instead depending on MacOS version

Posted: **Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:35 am**

I do not envy you: being my own boss, and running a private language school (i.e. EFL to children between 6 and 17), I have no official exams to fuss about (90% of those who last 10 years go onto take the Cambridge Advanced test of English, which they all pass).

The INHERITANCE problem is a very real problem, and I have brought it up several times: the latest of which is here:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=38670

Fields and Buttons generally do NOT inherit the backGroundColor from the stack or the card!

So Theming has to be effected in some other way if one wants to transform the whole IDE rather than just the MenuBar and the Tools.

The problem is that while LiveCode and following is object-based it is not object-oriented, so strict inheritance is not present, and I do not think there is a way to enforce it.

And, after a "fool about" (It being Wednesday, my non-teaching day, Hip, Hip, Hooray), I found that a field will have what it termed its 'effective backGroundColor' inherited from the stack or the card, but 'effective' is singularly ineffective as the flaming field stays white!

textColor IS inherited.

Posted: **Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:01 am**

Re Buttons:

textColor and backGroundColor ARE inherited IF the buttons do NOT have 3D set to true!

However, if one really wants:
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Button "Cheese" has its 3D set to true!

HOWEVER ("and there's the rub"), I wonder how one can set up code to set the backGroundColor of ALL OBJECTS (present or potential) to their effective backGroundColor(s) . . .

Of course at this point one might want to go in search of a template button and a template field: alternatively one might choose to go down to the "Why Not?" and sink several jars of heavy beer.
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